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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by Zero on January 11, 2022, 02:21:54 pm »
I'm still in the process of "parsing" (what an appropriate word) the grammar of Lingua Franca Nova.

Then when I'm done, I will define a strict subset of LFN, and make several tools for it, mainly to read/write a directed graph representation of a situation that's described in LFN.

Then, use it as the global language of Ma-ali, the island of my roguelike (which is intended to become a testbed platform for Gofai).

Then, retire.
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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by Zero on January 11, 2022, 10:37:45 am »
No, I instinctively discarded Esperanto without even thinking about it. It was created at the end of the 19th century, and while it is probably a very high quality conlang, I felt that it wasn't a good candidate precisely because it was created a long time ago. The background of the creators of the language is very important. For example, Toki Pona is made by someone who knows about Taoism, Lobjan is made by people who know about computers (maybe too much), and so on. The creator of LFN is C. George Boeree. He lived in our modern era, he knew about computers (well, as a lot of people do today), and was a psychologist and professor.
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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by infurl on January 10, 2022, 11:29:57 pm »
Since you're taking a look at artificial languages, have you reviewed Esperanto yet? That one has been around for as long as I can remember and I know people who have a very high opinion of it.
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Robotics News / Re: Christmas Eve Launch
« Last post by LOCKSUIT on January 10, 2022, 09:41:37 pm »
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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by Zero on January 10, 2022, 01:17:08 pm »
Well no, LFN is too beautiful, I don't have the right to scorch this language. But it's pretty regular, and it should be "easy" to produce a PEG parser for it.

Facebookresearch's LASER supports Lingua Franca Nova. There must be other NLP tools as well.  :D
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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by Zero on January 10, 2022, 09:54:02 am »
Wow, look at this one: https://elefen.org/
I don't know how it feels to native English speakers, but to me (French), it feels very nice. I can understand immediately what I read!

If the grammar is very regular, it could be a good candidate as vocabulary supplier.

Edit: OK that's official - I'm in love!!! so exciting!

Doesn't answer my question though, as to what's the minimal set of features needed to sustain intelligence.



I think I'm gonna pick ideas from Lobjan, vocabulary from Lingua Franca Nova, and use Logo's prefix notation.  :stirthepot:
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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by Zero on January 10, 2022, 08:45:20 am »
So... I'm still in the process of evaluating Lobjan to decide whether or not it fits my requirements. But I can already give a "first impression".

If you had a chance to study Ada, you know that feeling. Lobjan is really wonderful, clever, fat and boring.

In 2016, a 580 pages codex pops up, starting like, "[after decades of development,] the language described in this book will not be changing by deliberate act of its creators any more." ...then you learn that a committee made a xorlo reform, that's not in the codex. It wants to be frozen, but from the outside it looks like it's still having non backward compatible changes. I don't know, this is unclear.

One final thought. I just don't like it. I don't feel excited, you know... it's not sexy. It just feels awkward.
Here:

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When two gismu are adjacent, the first one modifies the second, and the selbri takes its place structure from the rightmost word. Such combinations of gismu are called tanru.

Why on earth aren't they using yet another Lobjan word for the word "word"? that remains a mystery. So far, my opinion is that this language is probably a lot more appealing to computers. I'll keep studying it for a while, and will certainly learn a few interesting tricks.

But if this is Ada, I want C  I want Rust.   ;)
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General AI Discussion / Re: Brain efficiency.
« Last post by Zero on January 10, 2022, 08:01:03 am »
If this is about energy efficiency, it doesn't mean we can't do better in terms of pure performance. For example we can build Formula One cars. They are not "energy efficient" at all, compared to, say, a cheetah (for the same same speed the F1 consumes a lot more energy), but it is wayyyyyyyyyy faster. Same goes for spatial efficiency, ...etc.

Am I wrong?
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General AI Discussion / Re: Brain efficiency.
« Last post by MagnusWootton on January 09, 2022, 11:18:18 pm »
Yeh I agree,  the robot wont be much different.    It will be more efficient at all tasks,  do everything in super ways,  but its just a superfluity without much real important gain.  The main parts of the difference of intelligence we already have.
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General AI Discussion / Re: Language feat.
« Last post by Zero on January 09, 2022, 09:57:18 pm »
https://mw.lojban.org/papri/Lojban

I'll look into it, hoping it's not too fat. I like minimalism.
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